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141 Modernization/FREE Ice Cream @ SNF

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There is no such thing as a “Part 61 Flight School” CFR 14 (FARs), but you hear this phrase all the time. A part 61 operation is just a collection of individual FAA CFIs, usually under a single employer, connected to a stable of aircraft and (hopefully) a common insurance policy. There is no FAA oversight or guidance (except for the regulations) for these organizations, yet they do 77% of all flight training in the US! Training under Part 141 is a much more tightly controlled environment, but sometimes that is exactly the problem; too hard to obtain and impossible to breathe!

If you instruct under CFR Part 61 you are individually responsible as the “certificated CFI” providing instruction regardless of how much guidance your organization provides. You are the PIC of this training and totally responsible if bad things happen (they come to see you)! Even the so-called “check pilots” under Part 61 training are a creation of this same private organization. They are not evaluated or approved by the FAA. Part 61 flight training has no Training Course Outline approved by the FAA, no required (or approved) syllabus and no Air Agency Certificate. Some of the largest flight training organizations (e.g. ALL-ATP “Flight Schools”) operate under CFR 61 and independently create and maintain their own private standards. Even if the CFIs are “employees” instead of “contractors,” in the eyes of the FAA each separate CFI is the responsible party under the authority of their personal CFI Certificate.

These Part 61 operations can be as good (or even better) than a 141 “FAA Pilot School” but there are many reasons they are not 141-Approved. If asked the common answers  are usually “all those 141 regulations inhibit good education” or “it’s impossible to get a 141 approval.” There are horror stories of the significant wait times and the associated costs. These are the problems that need to be fixed. If this system were operating correctly, “FAA-Approved Pilot Schools” would be the most common training and also provide consistently superior training. The Airline Consortium already submitted their (186 page) proposal for a new “super 141” system with many interesting initiatives. This was, however, created with no GA input.

With FAA 141 Modernization, there is a push for more of these Part 61 flight training entities to apply and qualify under Part 141 as “Approved Pilot Schools” with an Air Agency Certificate, and approved TCOs/Syllabi (announcement for input). Under this system, the FAA  would provide specific guidance, approval, and continuous oversight. The guiding document right now is AC-141-1B but this will probably be “modernized” also with the public input.

In “modernized 141,” the FAA would still have control over the quality of the training, but the new rules would be decided through industry input. The theoretical incentive for this transformation to Part 141 is that more of these new 141 Flight Schools would be approved for “examining authority,” at least to the private pilot level (and gradually increase with proven performance). With this approval, pilots graduating from an approved 141 course do not require a DPE part 61 flight evaluation; they graduate as fully fledged pilots. More information on SAFE’s position on 141 will be forthcoming (with member input).

All these parameters are under review and your suggestions as flight training providers are solicited by the FAA (Federal Register of curated meetings). The National Flight Training Alliance is the organization in charge of the process of input. Lee Collins  of NFTA.will be at the SAFE CFI Roundtable to discuss the process. Sporty’s even provided some guidance HERE at the Redbird Migration.

SAFE at Sun ‘N Fun: B-80/81

Please visit SAFE at booths B-80/81 at the center of the “Bravo” Hangar at SnF. We have SAFE hats, SAFE bling, even removable SAFE Tattoos plus incentives for joining and renewal (FOIs FAR/AIMs). And every new member has a chance to win a new Lightspeed Aviation Delta Zulu headset. Members at home can participate in this sweepstakes by donating $15 (or more) on the safe pilots member portal, or stepping up to a higher membership level. All proceeds go to our CFI Scholarship Program. Mike Shiflet will be broadcasting his “Power Hour” LIVE from the SAFE Booth Saturday at Noon. Attend live or tune in online here.

CFI Roundtable (FREE Ice Cream) Prop 75!

All CFIs and all SAFE members at any certificate level are invited to the SAFE CFI Roundtable on Saturday, April 5th at 16:00 in the Prop 75 Building (right across from the “Bravo Hangar)!” We need *everyone to register* so we know how much FREE ICE CREAM to buy. Mike Shiflet from CFI Bootcamp will be attending (and presenting), Brete Kobe from Sporty’s will talk about new CFI AI tools (free from Sportys), and Lee Collins (from NFTA) will discuss 141 Modernization.

CFI Roundtable (FREE to CFIs and SAFE Members) Add $15 for sweepstakes and win a Lightspeed Aviation Delta Zulu Headset!

7 responses to “141 Modernization/FREE Ice Cream @ SNF”

  1. warrenwebbjr Avatar
    warrenwebbjr

    ““FAA-Approved Pilot Schools” would be the most common training and also provide consistently superior training.”

    I don’t know. I got a newsletter from a 141 chief flight instructor from a major school who went into detail about how to pre-set pitch and power for landings, one of the things you agreed is the worst pilot procedures.

  2. David St. George Avatar
    David St. George

    After 25 years running a flight school with 200 pilots, I have seen every individual “CFI perversion” from all different sources. Some excellent 141 products and some with degrees from the best schools that could not tell me what the rudder is used for🤣. The only pattern I detected over 16K dual given is the quality of their initial instruction blended with their natural curiosity and tempered with some solid “reflective analysis.”

    Currently there is so much crap available on the internet masquerading as “truth,” every pilot needs to be equipped with a very sensitive “BS detector!” It is not what you don’t know that will kill you, but what you *think* you know that is dead wrong (more than just aviation). How to craft the new 141 system so it is based on solid and correct first principles is the secret. 141 schools with continuous internal training and growth for pilots and CFIs at all levels.

    1. warrenwebbjr Avatar
      warrenwebbjr

      Agree with all you say. Here’s the interesting thing. We have similar experience in years and hours. You ran a 141 school – I ran a 141 school. Yet we’re on opposite spectrums (Navy way vs Air Force way) when it comes to basic pilot techniques. So how is this going to be decided?

      1. David St. George Avatar
        David St. George

        I actually have transitioned to a “total energy” strategy to managing pitch and power. Depending on situation, pitch for airspeed or altitude! https://youtu.be/T68au5n0YGg?si=IpEjIbnAH4FEXr-Y

  3. Many highly intelligent aerospace engineers taught autopilots how to fly and it’s worth watching how they do it.
    Autopilots will always use the elevators to maintain the required flight path and autothrottles to maintain the desired energy level. The exception is Flight Level Change, which will use climb power going up and flight idle going down. Thus when power Is fixed elevator now controls airspeed and the vertical speed becomes the variable. (For anyone old enough to have flown the B727, the combination of a slightly negative thrust vector and slow approach speeds made it land better with the navy method.). The demand for Garmans auto land system is going to drive autothrittles on most future turbine equipment. Just some thoughts,

  4. warrenwebbjr Avatar
    warrenwebbjr

    If we could get a little more specific, what do you do for a regular hand flown landing approach?

  5. warrenwebbjr Avatar
    warrenwebbjr

    If we could get a little more specific, how do you fly a regular visual landing approach?

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