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AvWeb: 1500 Hours = Only 10!

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Reprinted from this AvWeb Report from Oshkosh: Russ Niles Reporting!

Russ Niles Takeaway from OSH on Flight Training!

“What I didn’t expect was [Doug] Stewart’s bone chilling assessment of the state of flight training and the terrible prognosis for the professionalism of the industry. In a nutshell, the 1500-hour rule has resulted in a generation of ATPs who have only the vaguest idea how to fly any airplane, much less a 100,000-pound jet.

I actually had a tipoff to this going into the interview. I made the acquaintance of one of those people who make you question all your life choices. He’s a 737 captain in his mid-30s who’s accomplished more in aviation than any 10 pilots I know. His frank assessment? When he gets a new hire on his right side he assumes he’s flying as a single pilot.

So I hit Stewart with that with my first question and to say he ran with it would be an understatement. After decades as an instructor, he says he’s never seen such unmotivated, unskilled and generally clueless students on their way to the airlines. There are some exceptions, for sure, but in general the vaunted ramp-up of flight training might as well be pumping air into the right seats of the nation and it has him terrified.

He puts the blame squarely on the 1500-hour rule that was ordered by Congress after an accident in Buffalo, New York, that killed everyone on a Colgan Air Dash-8 Q400. The new law was supposed to have ensured that anyone with an ATP has the experience under his or her belt to competently fly big iron. In fact, it has led to a situation where one of those 1500-hour wonders can reach that all-important milestone with only 10 hours of solo flight time.

Huh?

Here’s how it works. Fresh-faced pilot wannabe shows up for a discovery flight and decides a life in the clouds is for them. Ground school and those beautiful, scary, challenging and profoundly rewarding first few hours when they realize that they can actually maneuver this great clattering mechanism in the sky follow. They actually start getting pretty good at all aspects of flight but there always seems to be something they’re not doing quite right, and 20 hours turns into 30 or 40 or more and they haven’t actually gone solo.

Now, in fairness, things have changed since I lifted that ancient 152 off the runway at Vernon Regional Airport with 12.5 hours of dual in my logbook while my instructor watched from the ramp. I flew the perfect circuit (Canadian for pattern) and floated slightly with a little skip before settling on Runway 23, and like you I remember every second of it. Today, that would be an extraordinarily early first solo because airspace is more complicated, the panel takes longer to learn and the rules are more complicated. But I know a bright kid who’s at 40 hours and hasn’t felt that joy. I talked to a guy at AirVenture that went 72 hours.

How the hell can this happen? Well, the person in the right seat has no interest in having that magic moment occur. The only way they can possibly afford to rack up 1500 hours is to instruct and that career Hobbs stops moving as soon as they are left on the ramp. Then it slows to a crawl while the student bores holes in the sky and learns the hard way about this three-dimensional environment that is so unforgiving. It’s an inescapable rite of passage and it’s an experience I rank as one of the most powerful in my life.

So, the goal of the instructor becomes getting back in that plane as fast as possible and the 10 hours it takes for students to accomplish the solo tasks in the syllabus becomes the maximum amount of solo time permitted. What follows is rote memorization of maps and emergency procedures and all the other stuff we need to know before our certification ride. Since that event is highly prescriptive, there’s not much chance for the DPE to assess whether the candidate can fly, just whether they can pass the exam.

Assuming our student is on the airline track, the process repeats itself with them infecting dozens of future airline pilots with this terribly flawed notion of what it is to be a pilot. It’s also resulted in massively profitable flight-training centers that are openly described as “puppy mills.”

One would assume that after thousands of hours of watching incipient pilots demonstrate new ways to kill themselves and him that Stewart would have some perspective on the situation, but he’s clearly terrified and now so am I.

Congress’s politically tuned fix for a nonexistent problem has led to a crisis with far greater risks than it was intended to fix, and it needs to be brought to their attention and fast.”



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5 responses to “AvWeb: 1500 Hours = Only 10!”

  1. brianlloydaero Avatar

    Oh, don’t worry. It will all turn out OK. We are going to have automation that is going to keep the aircraft inside the flight envelope and eliminate upsets. What will be important is running that automation. Oh, and of course it won’t fail and the pilot (notice the lack of a plural there) will never need to actually fly the plane, as in make correct control inputs.

    I wonder if anyone has compared the cost of that automation with the cost of a properly-trained pilot? I wonder how much it would cost to actually train pilots correctly from the beginning rather than trying to graft on new behaviors a thousand hours later?

    And, as Roseann Rosanna-Danna used to say, “Oh … never mind.”

  2. George Richmond Avatar
    George Richmond

    Just to add to what is said about the lack of experience this latest generation of airplane drivers has, now other than when they get their MEL rating, they probably have only operated a landing gear lever 10-15 times before they get to an airline, since the Aeronautical Experience requirements to a get a Commercial and CFI are a joke.

  3. Richard G Avatar
    Richard G

    I have flown with a few of these instructors.

    When I’m flying with a young 20 something year old new instructor, I feel like I’m instructing them. I should point out, I’m not an instructor but, almost always have more single pilot flight time than the instructor I’m going up with has total time.
    I do think the school has put me with them, because they know I can fly already and am just going up for an aircraft familiarization flight.
    (I will never fly a new aircraft without going up with someone that has flown that specific aircraft before)
    Having flown with well over a hundred different instructors, I’m always evaluating the instruction in my head. It is only natural.
    When I begin telling them how I’ve handled an actual inflight engine fire on a twin, gear that would not come down, or a drive system failure on a helicopter… they kind of look at me strange. When I tell them was working for the DOD or FAA at the time they immediately think I’m conducting a surprise inspecting them.
    In a way I am…
    These flights are almost always at a flight school, and I have notified management when the instructor did something I felt was dangerous, and explained why.

    This goes to the old saying, yes, long before 9/11… ‘If you see something say something.’

  4. Dudley Henriques Avatar
    Dudley Henriques

    We must never forget as well that approaching the issue from this direction focuses our main attention away from the OTHER half of this deplorable equation; that being the generally low quality of the instructor base itself.
    The problem is SO complex concerning instructor quality it defies solution.
    We are unfortunately living with the result of decades of neglect concerning the importance to the aviation community of instructor quality.
    The rating has carried so little respect from the entire community that it has developed over time into little more than
    a “stepping stone” on the ladder to better things.
    If you combine the above with the meat suggested by what David has written above what you will have been served is a meal upon which you can choke yourself to death.
    I have fought the good fight for better instructors now for the better part of my life. I have long been convinced that unless the entire system concerning flight instruction and flight instructors is overhauled and restructured from bare metal on up we will not see any useful change in this situation.
    Dudley Henriques

    1. David St. George Avatar
      David St. George

      Rod Machado just contributed a new video on “Becoming a Good Flight Instructor.”


      Your blog is certainly also solid advice on the same subject: https://safeblog.org/2021/10/30/flight-instruction-at-a-higher-level/
      The pathway is certainly clear, it takes motivation and passion to walk that pathway.

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