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PDPIC Kills “Command Authority!”

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One of the silent killers of true pilot proficiency in modern flight training has been the FAA’s acquiescence to “supervised solo time:” 14 CFR 61.129(a)(4). This weird permission – and a separate category in modern logbooks – started when insurance companies increasingly refused to allow “real solo” during multi-engine commercial training. “Performing the Duties of Pilot in Command” (PDPIC) is flown with a CFI but “not dual” (or solo). The FAA now allows this time as “PIC” for all certifications beyond the private level. This shortcut quickly did away with *all* real solo flight opportunities in flight academies. Now most flight instructors are certificated with only 10 hours of “real PIC” (from their original private pilot experience). Ironically, most airlines hiring pilots regard PDPIC as “dual flight” anyway.

This “FAA loophole” quickly expanded to include all commercial “PIC” time, even in simple primary trainers. Previously,  the required 300nm solo X-C and solo night (PIC), was a daunting (and character-building) experience. A similar diminishment of the challenge at the commercial level occurred when the “2-hour day/2-hour night” cross-country requirement (previously “VFR only”) was allowed to be flown as IFR training. The VFR original was an opportunity to build commercial-level X-C skills (a step up from the private pilot level). Now these flights are “double logged” to acquire the required 10 hours of IFR; faster/cheaper training.

Of course, removing retractable “complex time,” and redefining TAA aircraft as “complex,” was another a nail in the coffin of true commercial pilot proficiency. Retractable piston planes were just too old and scary after the landmark ERU Arrow crash. Most new commercial pilots only get retract time when they acquire their multi-rating.

Fortunately, most new pilots at the commercial/CFI level will only fly in a two-crew environment –  the C-172 to Airbus conversion – so real solo “command authority” is not required. It is somewhat ironic that one of these “PDPIC-trained co-pilots” might actually be required to fly solo at some point in their careers. PDPIC might be a reason IOE is out of control in airline training and it is so hard for current airlines to upgrade their right-seaters to captains.

To log PDPIC time in an aircraft for which you do not hold a certificate for category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), you first receive the required training from an authorized instructor who then determines that you are ready to perform the duties of pilot in command.

When you perform the duties of pilot-in-command, your instructor is on board the aircraft, you are not the sole occupant, so do not log solo time. You log the time as pilot-in-command, not dual instruction. Your instructor also logs the time as PIC.

I was surprised at a recent FSDO gathering that many FAA  inspectors had never heard of “PDPIC.” They were unaware of this diminishment of commercial-level pilot proficiency and were astonished that new CFIs only have 10 hours of solo time. (We were discussing all the recent CFI-supervised fender benders in the district; brave new world!)

If you are a newly certificated commercial pilot with limited real PIC (solo), building time alone in an airplane is an amazing opportunity for improvement (and fun). Real solo time builds confidence and control skills. This is a worthwhile investment in your safety. And mastering tail wheel or glider flight are both excellent pathways for skill improvement. PLease keep learning and growing; aviation is about pursuing excellence; and FAA minimums are increasingly minimal. Fly safely out there (and often)!


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12 responses to “PDPIC Kills “Command Authority!””

  1. Richard G Avatar
    Richard G

    I remember doing most of my training at night in the Midwest, in the middle of the night.
    I would look over and my instructor would be sleeping on the long trips.

  2. brianlloydaero Avatar

    Mind-boggling, isn’t it? If you can fly 50nm from home it isn’t any harder to fly 150nm … except for the crummy seats with the disintegrated cushions in that beat-to-death C172 you’ve been renting. So why not? Go someplace in an airplane. Find out what airplanes are really for (besides aerobatics) and go visit a friend in another state, landing at a couple of airports selling cheap fuel along the way. Oh, and look out the window while you are at it.

    For the ultimate cross-country you could join me. I am leading a group of planes down to St. Croix next weekend where we will spend a week doing daily fly-outs to other islands. A couple of the pilots are going to do the training on St. Martin for the endorsement to land on St. Barth. Now THERE is a cross-country worth doing.

    There are some other things that make no sense to me and are obviously the result of lawyers instead of aviators making rules, e.g. a light twin with engines less than 200hp each not being considered high-performance. Really? The airplane really does have 360hp and performs like a Cherokee with 360hp. Still, it is not high-performance. Go figure.

    How do we get the FAA to listen and start requiring a higher level of skill and proficiency? I do a lot of spin endorsements for CFI candidates and am shocked and dismayed at the total lack of understanding they exhibit of how their airplanes work, well, except for the G1000. They are really good at running the G1000. In a few weeks they are going to be teaching others to fly.

  3. Crusty CFI Avatar
    Crusty CFI

    Oh my gosh I really am one of those old guys now… When in the heck did this happen? I’m not actively flying or instructing (maybe I should be) so I missed this change. This sounds like a bad joke. If insurance agencies find it unpalatable to have private pilots solo multi engine airplanes, why not have them do their commercial ASEL first like I did (I’m going to say it!) back in my day. Yes it takes more time, an extra checkride, etc.. but creating this shortest possible shortcut to an airline flight deck doesn’t seem like it should have passed the risk assessment. They can’t fly solo, so let’s leave the training wheels on until they have passengers in the back? I believe adamantly that flight training can be both accessible to students of all backgrounds and skill levels and still have high rigorous standards. It must be. We can do the difficult work to uphold high training standards or we can do the difficult work of dealing with the consequences of poor standards. It is a choice.

    1. David St. George Avatar
      David St. George

      Yes, sorry; blink and the whole world changes (sometimes for the worst). Remarkably, all the new pilots just accept this as the “new normal!”

  4. Scott Morris Avatar
    Scott Morris

    61.129(a)(4) has unfortunately been a pain in my side for the commercial certificate. I am color restricted for night flight, and the reg is not a mix and match. So now, I have to fly the long CC PDPIC, even in daylight VFR conditions. I cannot do night flight solo, so both have to be PDPIC. The color restriction makes zero sense as I cannot even file an IFR FP at night in VFR conditions. But I could technically file a IFR flight plan in the day, take-off in 0-0 conditions, fly 300nm solo in the clouds to minimums, if I’m not doing it to fulfill a commercial requirement!

    1. David St. George Avatar
      David St. George

      Color restrictions are a pain. Did you just fail the Ishihara Color Plate Test? Most pilots can pass the “lantern test” (like a traffic signal) if you find an AME who still uses that method. Last resort is a SODA (Statement of Demonstrated Ability) that some DPEs can issue.

      1. Scott Morris Avatar
        Scott Morris

        Thank you David, not aware of any AME’s in my area that do the lantern test and my guess is the Soda Test I would not pass. I might be mistaken but I thought an old medical said “restricted for night VFR”, not all night flying. I can only say I don’t understand the logic of 61.129 (a)(4), nor why a current, IR pilot cannot fly at night with a night restriction. Wouldn’t that be a perfect way ro practice approaches with a SP and train for the IR?

      2. David St. George Avatar
        David St. George

        The bigger problem with a color restriction on your medical is any career a professional pilot (not sure if that is your goal?) I will do some reading on SODA specifics.

  5. Greg Brown Avatar

    Hey David, thank you for this terrific article clarifying an extremely disturbing topic. I’ve always wondered why the FAA made these changes, but I agree 100% that they represent a huge detriment to pilots and their pax.

  6. […] Pilot 2.0” – is often flown with a CFI on board and adds little skill or confidence (PDPIC). Progressing further in the current flight training system, a new CFI often has only 5 hours of […]

  7. […] PDPIC training allows a CFI flying in the right seat, so there is never real concern (fear?) or the necessity (ability) to develop “command authority.” This essential neurological skill developed through independent experience (solo) in the progress toward expert is called “metacognition.” This is the reflective self-assessment that guides a true expert. Metacognition is closely related to “situational awareness” the primary piloting skill that continuously operates in an expert pilot. […]

  8. […] trophy.” It only assures that a pilot showed up and flew 250.1 hours – usually with only 5 hours total actual solo (PDPIC)- and is rebranded as “commercial” under diminishing test […]

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